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telboy
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« on: August 30, 2006, 04:20:30 AM »

HI ALL CAN ANY ONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO FIT A NEW FUEL TANK TO MY 24V GSI CARLTON PLEASE.

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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2006, 06:44:55 AM »

HI ALL CAN ANY ONE TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO FIT A NEW FUEL TANK TO MY 24V GSI CARLTON PLEASE.

CHEERS TELBOY

- Empty old one (Swapping full tanks hurts if you drop it onto your chest)

- Disconnect Fuel pump feed conector and level switch connector from diff side of the tank

- Disconnect Feed and retun hoses

- Undo the bolts holding the straps that hold the tank (undo NOT remove)

- Check all round the tank for vent pipes clipped to the chassis (May only be estates from memory)

- Open Filler cap Flap

- Remove filler cap (the tank neck won't come past the rubber with the cap on)

- Support tank with large flat bit of chipboard or wood on a jack

- Now Remove the strap bolts and straps

- Wiggle tank to free it from the mastic strips

- Tank will drop down

- I think there will be a vent tube on the filler neck which needs to be removed but it can be done once the tank is down

Bout it really
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2006, 06:45:41 AM »

PS please don't shout or CAPS LOCK off if you aren't  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2006, 08:27:45 AM »

I had to change the tank on my 'K' reg. 2.6 Diplomat, the filler neck side of the tank is completely exposed to all the muck thrown up from the back wheel and is the best designed mud trap I have ever seen !!
Unfortunately, after pressure washing out the several pounds of ( undoubtedly salty ) mud,
the tank seeped petrol from the corrosion around the filler neck.
I bought a new tank for £82 inclusive of VAT and delivery from Fuel Tanks Direct in Elland, Yorkshire ( fueltanksdirect.co.uk   Tel. 01422 310111 )
They do not show carlton saloon tanks on their website, but they do have them !
Annoyingly they come in bright tinplated finish and since I am a 'picky old git' I sprayed it with matt black acrylic.
Once the fuel is all siphoned out it is a pretty easy job.
One thing I did also was to use a couple of small 'G' clamps to pinch off the supply and return rubber pipes to stop all the fuel draining back out of the system.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2006, 12:00:35 PM »

cheers for that much appreciated ,ps left caps locks on sorry.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2006, 12:13:35 PM »

Bought my tank from this place - http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/fuel-tank-display.php?txtmodel=Carlton&Submit=Next&txtmake=Vauxhall

Total cost including vat & delivery £57.39

Fitted last week, pulled the original tank down with 12 gallons left in; not a good idea!
I only undid the rear bolts for the straps, seemed to make life a little easier.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2006, 02:57:14 PM »

That is an extremely good price !! I've got their web site pinned up for the next time I'm looking for parts.
Thanks for that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2006, 03:03:33 PM »

i got mind from beevers auto panels for £82.50
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2006, 07:19:49 PM »

Dont forget you will need a new fuel pump / sender unit gaskets and some thread locking compound Wink

The gaskets may also be supplied with the tank.
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2006, 09:02:24 PM »

paid £12 for mine off e-bay lmao
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2006, 12:26:38 AM »

Yes, you must fit new rubber gaskets & use 'thread lock' on the screw threads as petrol could seep past the threads Wink

Remember to stock up with the correct pipe clips - I found that motor factors don't seem to stock those very small ones that you may need for some of the breather pipes, but Vauxhall dealers keep them & they're cheap.

As a point of interest - on a Carlton that I broke up last year that had a new tank fitted, the person that fitted it had used cable ties instead of metal pipe clamps. This may seem like a 'bodge', but infact had worked without causing any problems during the last couple of years of the cars life.

Infact, after seeing this cable tie idea, I used them in conjunction with the metal clamps on some of the smallest pipes as double protection when I fitted a new tank to the estate earlier this year.

The mastic/rubber spacer strips that stop metal to metal contact between the tank & the body/chassis of the car, don't come with the new tank. I think some people don't bother to fit these when fitting a new tank. I think that they should be fitted & cut new ones out of some thin black rubber type sheet & stuck them on the tank before fitting Wink
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Edit: Found some pictures of when I changed this tank.........

This is how a new tank comes from BuyPartsBy:-


If you have a tow bar fitted, you may have to release (but not remove) all of the fixing bolts, as the tank on the estates are hard up against the diff rear mount & the tow bar with NO clearance. You will probably need to completely un-bolt the off side tow bar mounting, as one of the bolts holds the tank strap on this side. With the bolts released, but not removed completely on the near side mount, the tow bar can be moved away from the lip of the tank. Take note that the near side mount goes behind the exhaust heat shield, so this stops the tow bar from being removed completely - without removing the back box & heat shield first.

In this picture you can see that the lip of the fuel tank goes behind a ledge on the tow bar:-


The new fuel tank has now had a coat of paint applied over the original factory coat as extra protection & you can see in this picture that I have cut out & stuck on the strips of rubber. In the background, you can see the old tank that has now been removed & how badly rusted it is:-


The question has been asked before - Is there much, if any, difference between estate & saloon fuel tanks & will one of one model fit the other? As can be seen in the picture below where I have put my spare saloon tank below the estate tank, the answer is fairly obvious - they are completely different tanks. I think it was Mr BC that told me on a thread somewhere in the distant past, that the Carlton estate tank IS the same as that fitted to a Monza........Below is the difference between estate & saloon fuel tanks:-


This last (& slightly out of focus for some reason) picture, is of the new tank being jacked into place with a trolley jack & a large piece of flat wood, ready to have the supporting straps re-fitted - you can see the tow bar hanging down out of the way on the off side:-


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Edit & Up-date - August 07...........

I have just fitted another fuel tank from a different supplier & the description of the findings etc. is to be found a few posts down on this thread which is to be found by clicking the link below Wink
http://totalcarlton.com/forums/index.php?topic=7053.0
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2006, 01:18:51 AM »

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The mastic/rubber spacer strips that stop metal to metal contact between the tank & the body/chassis of the car, don't come with the new tank. I think some people don't bother to fit these when fitting a new tank. I think that they should be fitted & cut new ones out of some thin black rubber type sheet & stuck them on the tank before fitting Wink

I used an old roll mat (for camping), and cut bits to go along the top as well as some to go between straps and tank, together with copious ammounts of wax oil it should outlive the car.
It made putting the rear nut & bolt for the straps back a little tighter but worth it.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2006, 01:04:53 PM »

I used some sticky back 'closed cell' foam about 50 mm x 5 mm from my 'things wotl' box.
You may be able to get something like this from your local building trade supplier.
Use closed cell since it will not retain water.
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2006, 08:45:23 PM »

I have just come across a few pictures of when I replaced an estate fuel tank earlier this year, & have added them to my previous post above on this thread (about three or four posts back) Wink
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2006, 02:25:27 PM »

Replaced my tank, used cable ties for the breather pipes, and used the grey foam copper pipe lacking, cut in half to stop the tank to body rubbing. And gave the new tank a good coat of underbody wax oil ( black )

That new tank in the picture dont look anything like the one  you have taken out?Huh
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2006, 02:32:10 PM »

Nah! GMC, you've got thatround your neck Grin

The one I took out is the one on the ground on the left of the pix Wink
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2006, 08:08:33 PM »

bloody good thread , will keep my eye on this as this is one job i do need to do on mine next year after i lost nearly ten litres of fuel on the local garage fourcourt , back in the summer after i put in a full tank of fuel .  Shocked
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